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WILLIAM SOUTHERN
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05 May 2015 08:52 AM
    Hey if any members need some advise or have questions about metal detecting and how to do it successfully feel free to ask in this thread and I will do my best to help. It is what I do....
    ROBERT WARMAN
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    05 May 2015 12:07 PM
    Hey bill how deep will it go?☺
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    05 May 2015 12:22 PM
    I think you already know there is no one correct answer to that Robert, but I will add the the depth any detector will achieve is dependent on many factors including how the user has his detector set up for the area he or she intends to hunt. Ground conditions will in most conditions will be the main factor as to how a detector will work and the depth is will be able to "see" into the highly mineralized (or not) soil.... I can tell by that question and ribbing I am getting that you do indeed attend both my and Kevin's seminars.....
    ROBERT WARMAN
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    05 May 2015 12:25 PM
    Sorry after spending time with you at the outing this weekend I had to
    WILLIAM SOUTHERN
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    05 May 2015 04:14 PM
    Quite alright my friend and see ya soon.....
    Andy Yednak
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    03 Jun 2015 02:18 PM
    Hi Bill, I have many questions but I think the one that would help me most is in regard to the threshold on the GPX5000. I understand settings that modify this ... Audio Type, Motion Speed, Gain, Stability .. etc. My question is, do you adjust these settings until you get an absolute 100% smooth threshold? Or do you find it ok to have a little instability?
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    03 Jun 2015 05:25 PM
    Howdy Andy, with most PI detectors getting the threshold perfect is not possible, but getting as close as you can is indeed important so you are able to hear the slight disturbances in the thresholsd that may be a target. It is important to be sure if you are set up in "very slow" that you hunt very slow meaning about a 4 second sweep one way for me. Next the gain is VERY IMPORTANT many run it wide open and yes some do OK this way, but your gain is how you stabilize your detector and too much will cause you again to have a erratic threshold. Turn the gain up until there is instability while moving the coil and drop it back a click or two till it is more quiet and stable. If this setting is low like 5 0r 6 do not fret over it because it is not a loss of power! It is RF Gain not TX.....

    If hunting with tracking on (I prefer manual GB) it is important to set the sweep speed the SAME as tracking speed or your detector will once again be unstable...

    So to answer your question flat out NO, but it is important to get the detector setup to be as stable threshold wise as possible after tuning, you can also ust the stabilizer setting to smooth things out, but over use will decrease sensitivity in some cases.

    Hope this helps and I always set my detector up for best stability in every new area. Great question!
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    04 Jun 2015 07:21 AM
    That makes sense. Sounds like my sweep speed needs to come down a couple seconds slower. I assume this is for well pounded areas. When you're on the hillsides looking for patches, I imagine your sweep would probably go up to medium more for ground coverage. Right? Another thing I was not aware of is that I should be moving the coil while adjusting gain. I thought that was only for stability. I'll have to try this, too. I do a lot of detecting in the LSD areas ... well, before it started to heat up here. Thanks a bunch, Bill! I greatly appreciate the knowledge you share on all forums.
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    04 Jun 2015 07:45 AM
    No I did not mean to be "moving" the coil while adjusting gain Andy after each adjustment if you start hunting and it is still unstable while moving, stop and readjust until it smooths out. Just that fact that you are asking these type questions to try and fully understand your detector shows you will likely become successful! Many folks just do not take the time to experiment and adjust their settings properly while hunting and quickly become frustrated as a result. Yes SLOW swinging is a must and not just in pounded areas, but when patch hunting in a new area I will often move a bit quicker to tag that first one then slow way down and hunt properly.
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    04 Jun 2015 12:48 PM
    Thank you very much, Bill. I hope to see you in November or perhaps an earlier outing.
    RAYMOND DUNN
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    09 Jul 2015 10:31 PM
    What is the best metal detector on the market today and why?
    WILLIAM SOUTHERN
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    10 Jul 2015 07:46 AM

    Howdy Ray, now this is a very hard question to answer because any good dealer will try to match the person to the detector best suited for them and their proposed hunting area and style. Each person new or pro has different requirements not limited to;

    How much you will be hunting

    Where you will be mainly hunting

    Skill level

    Budget

    etc.

    Now what I use are 3 different detectors with the main one being what I consider the best for the professional nugget shooter and that is the Minelab GPZ 7000, I also have a Minelab SDC 2300 and a Fisher Gold Bug Pro.

    Can you give me a little more info on your plans and I will try to narrow things down for you as often the best out there may not be YOUR best choice for getting started.

     

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    05 Jun 2016 02:07 PM
    Hi I'm looking for a good gold finder in the $500-800 range I am new so hope to find something fairly simple. I am usually hunting in the mid to high desert in AZ. Thanks
    Ed Bragg
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    05 Jun 2016 05:29 PM

    I'd say XTerra 705 or Gold Bug 2.

     

     

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    05 Jun 2016 05:40 PM
    I wasn't very impressed with my 705. Just my opinion. I know a lot of people more successful with the Gold Bug 2. Just my opinion.
    Harry Mallory
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    12 Jun 2016 01:53 PM

    Hello All;

    I am getting into metal detecting and am debating between the Garrett AT Pro and the Minelab 705 Gold.  I see that the operating Freq on the minelab can be changed by changing coils.  This seems like it would be an advantage depending on what you are looking for.  Thanks for any help or ideas on this.

    Terry Wolford
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    30 Jun 2016 09:25 AM

    Harry,

    Depends.  Do you plan on using the detector as a dedicated gold detector or plan to coin hunt etc with it too?  However, either one you choose (the AT Pro or the 705) can be used for coin, prospecting or relic.  However the 705 would be better as a gold detector so if you are limiting your choices to those 2, I would go with the 705. 

     Also if you are looking for more of a dedicated VLF gold detector I would go with the Gold Bug Pro, or the Gold Racer.  But Whites MXT is one great machine as well and many gold prospectors swear by them.  If you are a Garret fan and want a dedicated gold machine then get the AT Gold.

    Whatever you get, learn it well and use it often.  Learning and using your machine makes more difference than does your detector choice. 

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    21 Aug 2016 11:43 AM
    New to GPAA. Been Detecting in Southwest Utah Desert for the past year with a Teknetics T2 SE, mostly relic and some coin shooting. Made a decision to focus on nugget shooting. I will eventually be shooting in the Gold Basin AZ area once a month as well as exploring and prospecting for undiscovered gold in NW AZ and Southern NV and UT. I am getting a PI and after much research I keep coming back to the ATX not wanting to wait and save up for a much more expensive Minelabs. Just wondering if you have had a recent experience using the most current version of the ATX? If so, has the falsing improved as they claim, better stability etc. Just wondering if it has evolved and improved to a level that so many seem to feel rivals or compares to a GTX 5000 for half the money? These are so many of the claims I hear from many these days... What is your opinion? Thx
    Shane Edwards
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    05 Sep 2016 09:11 PM
    I take it Bill stopped watching this thread LOL... If you ever see this Bill, I actually have e-mailed you directly. Someone going by GoldRushNuggets on Instagram referred me to you. I am Desert Detective.
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    09 Sep 2016 10:44 PM
    You may have better luck contacting him on his Nuggetshooter.com forums or web page or facebook. "Bill Southern" 
    I will message him and let him know you messaged him here.

    Posted By Shane Edwards on 05 Sep 2016 09:11 PM
    I take it Bill stopped watching this thread LOL... If you ever see this Bill, I actually have e-mailed you directly. Someone going by GoldRushNuggets on Instagram referred me to you. I am Desert Detective.


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    10 Sep 2016 09:02 AM
    I am here, but for some reason did not get notice someone was posting in this topic. Anyway I have not used the newest model of the ATX and though I did like the detector I quickly switched back to my Minelab GPX at the time due to weight and some control box issues that caused some falsing in the early Garrett ATX. They should have that fixed now though... The Minelab GPX 4500 would be a better option for the same money and in my opinion and is a far superior nugget detector. Now consider that with the 15% Military discount and the 5% I give GPAA members one can be had for around 2200.00 here at Nugget Shooter.

    I have used both and though the ATX is a very good PI unit it is not nearly as versatile, stable, or deep seeking as the Minelab GPX 4500 check my site for more info to compare the 2 as I carry both... www.nuggetshooter.com


    Cheers, Bill
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    10 Sep 2016 12:41 PM
    Thank you Bill for your reply. So I have looked at the ML4500 but after watching several Aussies on YouTube and reading some comparisons here were my conclusion and would be interested to know if maybe the ATX might be the best fit for me.

    1. The ML4500 has EMI issues especially around Powerlines, Airports (some say even in Air Traffic Patterns), Commercial Heavy Equipment like Tractors and other detectors and EMI doesn't affect the ATX.

    2. Another advantage that I have heard over and over is if one is detecting in an area where most nuggets are subgram but the occasional 2+ gram nuggets are found at greater depths, the ATX can hit both with one coil and one mode, no need to switch coils and modes in general and once you start adding the Coils to the ML4500 necessary to go deeper than the ATX the costs difference is even more significant.

    3. The ATX is a better Relic and Beach detector with better discrimination features.

    Anyways, this obviously is all research and opinion based but I respect your work and experience Bill and wanted to know if there is any merit to these points as these advantages would be the better fit for what I seek.
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    10 Sep 2016 02:17 PM
    OK it indeed does make a difference in what will "fit" best and originally nugget detecting was the main focus I thought. If you plan to hunt around allot of power lines and at the beach etc. with a all purpose detector then the ATX would likely be a better unit due to being waterproof as well and it will indeed work better in town. We do not have issues with power lines for the most part nugget shooting. So if coil/relic/beach/and occasional nugget shooting is your plan that the ATX is a good bet. But you can indeed hunt near power lines with the 4500 when set up properly quite well and I have done it.

    The 4500 though nugget shooting will our perform the ATX with any of the coils from 8 inch up. I have tested them side by side with the 11 inch stock coil and the Minelab is more sensitive to small shallow gold as well as deeper gold. With larger coils same result and I would be using the ATX myself if it would find me more gold. The different modes offer the operator more options to handle different ground conditions and what you have heard is a bit inaccurate. There is a reason when it comes to what people are actually using that post the gold finds consistently show Minelab PI and their tool of choice simple as that. Allot of detectors claim to be as good or better, but the proof is in the finds posted on forums, FaceBook, and passed around the campfire.

    I am talking about only PI detectors in the price range you are working with as for nugget hunting there are also other options to consider though much more costly. There are also many VLF options in all purpose detectors as you already know.

    I can only base my opinion on having actually had both in the field testing them myself and do not watch many videos simply because I am in a position to get my info hands on and for gold nuggets the GPX 4500 is a superior detector once mastered and having the options to change coils and settings to suit the ground is important and an advantage. Where on man sees more settings as a hassle another sees the advantage of learning to use them to fit different hunting conditions and styles. The ATX is indeed a decent PI detector if you are wanting to have an all purpose unit including water use in a PI, but for serious nugget shooting Minelab is simply the best option out there and this is not from word of mouth, but experience. There is a very good reason the folks that hunt gold nuggets professionally and/or focus mostly on hunting gold nuggets with a metal detector use Minelab PI and now other newer Minelab technologies like MPF and ZVT as in the SDC 2300 and GPZ 7000.

    Just trying to help not confuse anyone and I can use any of these detectors when I hunt and I go with what will get me the most gold and I am not as brand loyal as I am interested in results. If any one of the manufacturers out there would come up with a better detector to find gold nuggets I would be using it in a New York Minute and I try each and every one that comes out to be sure I do not miss the boat.

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    10 Sep 2016 02:46 PM
    That was an awesome response Bill. I very much appreciate it. So I think between last week or whenever I originally posted the question and this week I began to think more about my everyday situation. I want to get into some Nugget Shooting which was what got me considering a PI... But realistically I am probably only going to be able to detect any real Gold Bearing Grounds maybe every 6-8 weeks and will be mostly Relic Hunting in the desert I live in which at least uptil now big gold or nuggets for that matter have never been found. We also have Lake Powell Near me with plenty of beach and has been growing in popularity among locals and I have always thought about trying it out... So without giving up on a detector that is good for nugget shooting, since my original question I have evolved in think more realistically about my everyday use and needs. So maybe I should just get both LOL
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    10 Sep 2016 03:43 PM

    Not sure about both unless a PI is what you feel you must have for coin/relic hunting as there are some awesome choices out there for very capable detectors for that purpose in a much lower price range that will do the job and as always there are the more expensive units with once again more features to help the operator cover more hunting conditions and more accurate and reliable discrimination. While nugget detecting we do not use discrimination as it is not reliable on PI detectors or VLF when nugget hunting due to nuggets not playing fair so to speak being in-uniform, not pure etc. Also gold is a very poor conductor....


    Your comment was however very true and it is in my opinion better to use a detector designed for what you plan to hunt the most as when manufactured to hunt both there is some loss of performance on both ends. The two types of detectors Nuggets or Coin/ relic are very different in what we require from them as far as ground and hunting conditions. We dig everything nugget shooting, but coin or relic hunting often we are looking for a certain type manmade target among oodles of trash and accurate discrimination is a must.

    I use a coin/relic detector for that purpose and a different detector for Nuggets.....
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