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White's goldmaster 24k vs minelab's goldmonster 1000
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Michael Fotakis
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29 Oct 2018 05:10 PM
    I was thinking about buying the goldmonster 1000 and then I saw that White's has a new nugget shooter called the goldmaster 24K.  Looking for a recommendation as to which is a better detector for gold prospecting.  Thanks!
    ROBERT MARTINEZ
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    31 Oct 2018 05:13 AM
    What I've seen the Gold Monster is more user friendly. But I feel both are very capable of finding gold. I personally like to be able to have control over my settings. So I would prefer the Goldmaster 24k.
    Michael Fotakis
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    31 Oct 2018 03:31 PM
    Thanks!  They both seem like very good vlf detectors.  Still up in the air on which detector to buy.  Hopefully more youtube videos will be posted with reviews of the 24K.
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    02 Nov 2018 11:39 AM
    Interested in this question, myself. A lot will depend on whether the 24K's new XGB ground balance system works better than that of the GMT. So far, I haven't seen any direct testing.
    JIM MCCULLOCH
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    02 Nov 2018 03:56 PM
    BOTH the Goldmaster 24K and the Goldmonster 1000 are easy-to-operate, user-friendly, "turn on and go" machines. The 24k ground balances far quicker (3-5 pumps versus 15 to 25 pumps), and handles really mineralized soil FAR better. Since the 24k has MORE options, features, and capabilities, it requires more operator control and expertise to help further "amp up" gold-finding performance. I have used the GMT as my primary VLF machine for 18 years, and now I vastly prefer the 24K. The XGB ground balance system is the most advanced on the market, and combined with an Iron Reject setting of 2 (extreme soil/hot rock) the 24k can be operated under soil conditions which totally defeat other VLF machines. Check out the "Spud Diggers" YouTube channel to see several videos of the 24K in action. For more detailed info feel free to email me at ophirau@gmail.com
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    08 Nov 2018 10:39 PM
    Posted By JIM MCCULLOCH on 02 Nov 2018 03:56 PM
    BOTH the Goldmaster 24K and the Goldmonster 1000 are easy-to-operate, user-friendly, "turn on and go" machines. The 24k ground balances far quicker (3-5 pumps versus 15 to 25 pumps), and handles really mineralized soil FAR better. Since the 24k has MORE options, features, and capabilities, it requires more operator control and expertise to help further "amp up" gold-finding performance. I have used the GMT as my primary VLF machine for 18 years, and now I vastly prefer the 24K. The XGB ground balance system is the most advanced on the market, and combined with an Iron Reject setting of 2 (extreme soil/hot rock) the 24k can be operated under soil conditions which totally defeat other VLF machines. Check out the "Spud Diggers" YouTube channel to see several videos of the 24K in action. For more detailed info feel free to email me at ophirau@gmail.com

    Thanks, Jim, good to know.


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    11 Nov 2018 12:02 PM
    I just retuned from a Nuggetshooter outing in AZ...I have a 24 k...wished I would have gotten the Monster....Monster was more sensitive in my opinion...I got my 24 k for sale now and I only used it for tis outing.
    JIM MCCULLOCH
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    11 Nov 2018 02:17 PM
    Ricky, your only experience with the Goldmaster 24k is ONE time out? And you developed a strongly-held opinion from ONE use? Questions: Did the local dealer who sold it to you train you how to properly tune it? Or did you buy it from the internet from a dealer who did not train you, and therefore you are merely "self taught?".  May I ask, did you merely use the very underpowered factory presets, or did you take the time to test more powerful settings? What searchcoil were you using?, What settings did you use? With my 24k, using the extremely sensitive 6" concentric, with gain of 7, VSAT at medium, audio boost level 2 (b2), I can find 1/20th grain microflakes in highly mineralized desert soil with NO problem. Try those settings, and see if that doesn't change your opinion. Also:  your other postings on this forum were on 12/9/2017, where you were selling your GPX 4500, and on 1/18/2018, where you were selling your Gold Monster 1000. What didn't you like about THOSE machines? Again, please try the above searchcoil and settings combinations, and see if that doesn't change your opinion. Best wishes and HH! Jim
    Michael Fotakis
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    12 Nov 2018 07:32 AM
    Thanks everyone for the great info.  I am still undecided on which one to buy though.  I will wait for more online reviews of the 24K.
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    13 Nov 2018 03:41 AM

    Jim , I think you are right so I will give it more time in the field.

    I have emailed Whites as I did not get the set with both coils and I want a 6 inch coil.

    I do agree with you. I sold my other machines thinking due to some health issues I was not going to be able to hunt any longer....I enjoy the outdoors too much to give up . So I will keep plugging along   , Thanks for the reminder of only one time out , it is not near enough time to make a call on the machine.

    Rickey

    JIM MCCULLOCH
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    14 Nov 2018 06:01 AM
    Excellent idea Rickey. Wishing you the best. HH Jimmy M
    Michael Fotakis
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    19 Nov 2018 01:25 PM
    Which VLF detector is the most sensitive to small gold? I had a Gold Bug 2 and it did really with small gold. How do the new VLF detectors compare?
    Joe Rollins
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    23 Nov 2018 11:26 AM
    Hi, I have the 24K and like it. Got it from Capitol Prospecting in Portland, OR

    https://www.capitolprospecting.com

    I'm a little bit techie and like more personal control over things, and so far I'm pretty impressed!

    Whites has a full training program on YouTube, very much worth watching.

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    FWIW...

    I sold the MXT and Sovereign GT a while back and wanted something different for a while, so purchased an ML Equinox 800 and Whites 24K.

    I think this is a good combo for now as the Goldmonster 1000 seems more like a big toy and way too "user friendly", and was not impressed.

    However- NUGGET SHOOTER (GPAA MEMBER) sells Minelab products and has a pretty good review of the GM1000, he likes it and the Nox800. Look him up on YouTube, he's full of good intel.

    Next time I win the lottery I will be getting a GPX 5000 and CTX 3030, I think that will pretty well round out my dream list and I should be good to go.   LOL

    Hope this helps.

    Joe

     

    Michael Fotakis
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    23 Nov 2018 11:45 AM
    Thanks Joe but I did just purchase a MineLab Equinox 800 for $674.25 online at Dick's Sporting goods. They have everything 25% off to include the Nox 800. I could not pass up that deal.
    Joe Rollins
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    09 Dec 2018 10:08 AM
    That's a smokin' hot deal, best ever!

    It's a damned good detector for the price. Good luck and I hope you enjoy it.

    JR
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    10 Dec 2018 06:06 PM
    Having used both machines, The Whites is not on the same level as the Gold Monster 1000. People I know are already selling their Goldmaster 24K's and buying the Gold Monster 1000. The Goldmaster just can't compare. Like apples and oranges.
    JIM MCCULLOCH
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    11 Dec 2018 08:05 AM
    REALLY Terry? Since people immediately sell or trade in their unwanted metal detectors, then where are all these "unwanted" Goldmaster 24k's being offered for sale? Where? One would think that if these were being traded in for GM's with the big-time national GM dealers, then those same dealers who have Classified Ad sections on their websites would happily broadcast such information. However, as of the time of this posting, NONE of those national dealers (Bill Southern, Rob Allison, Chris Gholson, Gerry McMullen) have ever offered their own "trade-in" 24k's on their sites. Why is that? Searching Craigslist the ONLY 24k listed for sale ANYWHERE in the US is that of Ricky Gaskin, above. Why is that? Nor are there any used 24k's listed on eBay. Why is that? In fact, the ONLY used 24k listed for sale ANYWHERE on the internet is Ricky's ONE machine. Why is he selling it? He tried nuggetshooting, was not successful after a few outings, and since "99% of my hunting is for coins" he is selling it. Frankly, Terry, there is no published evidence to support your allegations. BTW, if you want to know how to properly tune YOUR 24k (Uhh, do you even have one?) I will be happy to mail you a copy of my 24k optimal tuning "cheat sheet" which settings significantly outperform the factory default settings. HH Jim
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    10 Jan 2019 06:58 PM
    Jim, I cannot seem to be able to PM anyone anymore, but I would like to have a copy of your 24k cheat sheet
    JIM MCCULLOCH
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    15 Jan 2019 09:51 AM
    Bob, neither can I. My email address is ophirau@gmail.com
    Tim Swenor
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    09 Feb 2019 08:39 AM
    The Minelab Gold Monster is the easiest metal detector on the market today to use. Simply turn on and go technology. It will smack small nuggets hard and handle almost all the harsh soil conditions. Lighter than most detectors on the market it comes with the 5" DD and 10" DD coils, two ways to charge it, collapsible headphones, a digging tool
    Lithium ion rechargeable batteries, spare alkaline battery tray and an extra lower yoke for making the detector fit anybody's size.

    Minelabgolddigger
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    14 Feb 2019 05:21 PM
    Thanks to all for the great information! I have been looking at the Goldmonster 1000 a bit more lately, to use for myself here in Arizona. This would be my first detector.
    JERRY PEREZ
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    16 Feb 2019 11:13 AM
    I'm curious about the GM24k, does it have a totally different processor and circuit board from it's predecessor? Or did Whites do a remodel makeover rebrand and add a turbo button with audio tones in answer to compete with ML's GM 1K? I don't know the answer to those questions which is why I ask one of our many legends Jim Mculloch, who has the inside scoop from Whites and rubs elbows with all the vendors from all the competitors from all the tradeshows. What's the timeline of the 24k
    and the 1k prototypes that were used in the field before public release? I would love to know that and the differences between my existing GMT and the now covered 24k?

    Thanks Jim and any others who feedback.
    JIM MCCULLOCH
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    17 Feb 2019 01:04 AM
    Actually, the 24k is faster to turn on and ground balance then the 1000. With the 1000, the start up procedure requires that you wave the coil in the air to allow it to cancel out (potential) EMI. As stated in the official Minelab YouTube video, "the Gold Monster 1000 is an entry-level detector designed for the international market." What that means is that it was designed, and is very well suited for, the NON-TRADITIONAL speed-detecting in the Brazilian track-hoe strip mining pits in which TEAMS of several 1000 users, operating virtually shoulder-to-shoulder, follow behind a track-hoe. Once the EMI tuning is finished, then, depending on the severity of the soil conditions, ground balancing requires a time-consuming 5 to 25 pumps. Check out the YouTube videos by my pal Bill Southern wherein he chides those who complain that the 1000 "doesn't ground balance with only 3-5 pumps." Of course not; the 1000 uses a wonderful microprocessor which does a splendid job of averaging MULTIPLE ground points, thus requiring numerous pumps over numerous spots to establish a good AVERAGE ground balance setting. There are some early anti-GM 1000 videos from Oz in which misinformed "reviewers" condemned the 1000 for "having erratic operation" and "possessing NO depth" due to THEIR failure to properly ground balance it. Without PROPER ground balance, NO detector will perform well. So, with the 1000, start up tuning requires the EMI adjustment, then the proper number of multi-point ground pumps. This takes from 20 to 60 seconds each time the 1000 is turned on. Now, with the 24k, which was released nearly 2 years after the 1000, the engineers at Whites developed an IMPROVED, PATENT PENDING, multiple ground point microprocessor system called "XGB," Extreme Ground Balance. It does a better job, especially in really severe ground, and does so in only 3 - 5 pumps. FURTHERMORE, when you shut off the 24k, it "remembers" ALL of the last settings and ground balance points, so that, when the user presses the "on" button the 24k instantly reverts to those settings, necessitating no further adjustment if you have remained at the same spot. NO unnecessary time-consuming tuning. Now, comparing the GMT to the 24k: totally different systems and circuitry. The 24k has a totally different circuit board. Plus, the 24k coils get 54% power to them then the coils for the GMT, therefore coils are not interchangeable between the two. The 24k is deeper, finds smaller gold, and handles really severe soil then the legendary GMT. PLUS it has numerous features not possessed by the GMT. Now, comparing the 24k to the 1000; to give the 1000 its due, it is a good, dependable, "entry level detector designed for the international market." Yes, it can find sub-grain bits at decent depths. BUT IT LACKS the ADVANCED USER features found on the 24k: these include adjustable threshold, self-adjusting threshold, locked ground balance, adjustable ground balance OFFSET, ADJUSTABLE severe mineralization/hot rock/iron ID, tone ID, VCO non-motion pinpoint mode, USER ADJUSTABLE frequency adjustment, ground scan soil analysis, and backlight. For the serious gold hunter, MORE features mean BETTER PERFORMANCE. Yeah, I've used the 1000, and found a lot of gold with my trusty GMT, but I now prefer the 24k. With my 24k I have found "microflakes" of gold weighing 1/15th of a GRAIN. Yeah, pieces of gold worth 18 cents. Check out the YouTube "Spud Diggers" channel, where several videos show Spud Digger Johnson, Gerry McMullin, and myself putting the 24k through its paces. In the video titled "24k Training" the business cards used as targets had 1/4 GRAIN (68 cent) bits laminated to them. If you want further details, feel free to email me at ophirau@gmail.com. Hope this helps; HH Jim

    SUSAN AGSTER
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    23 Feb 2019 03:10 AM
    Following. I too am looking for my 1st MD for nugget shooting in AZ and beach combing the Gulf states.
    I like that the Equinox 800 is waterproof but the pkg only comes with one large coil. Doesn't have a great bundle pkg offered.
    I am overwhelmed by the recommendations on the many detectors. Weight is an issue .
    If you're not use to it, some of the old bulky models can really wear you out.
    Thanks for any and all advice!
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    25 Feb 2019 10:09 AM
    Hi Susan,
    Neither the GM1000 or the 24k are going to be the best choices for salt water beach machines. If you only wish to purchase one machine the Nox 800 would be your best choice IMO.
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