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ARTHUR WAUGH
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07 Apr 2014 10:24 AM
    Thought for a new page in the GPAA and LDMA sections.  Make up a page for claim reports that members can post to, by claim number in the guide (which might change in new issues of said guide) or by claim name since non members can't drill that deep.  That will give the home office more reports than are probably mailed in, and give members more information on claims and what to expect.  Also give us a place to report issues with them such as missing markers, etc.  For instance, went to 2 in Oregon yesterday, and neither are marked, nor have they been for at least 3 years.
    Raymond Erickson
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    07 Apr 2014 02:53 PM
    That would be a great feature to add to the forum, as the guide becomes outdated very quickly.
    James Peace
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    07 Apr 2014 05:35 PM
    As an LDMA member why isn't the guide online??? And updated regularly, there's really no reason other than they sell it... I never got an updated guide when I went to LDMA from GPAA....? For as much as I pay for my membership at least send me the new guide,,,
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    08 Apr 2014 08:52 AM

    Thank you for the suggestions.  There has been discussion about an online version of the Mining Guide and how folks could contribute. We hope to fulfill this request in the future.

     

    For now, Mining Reports can be submitted here: http://www.goldprospector...ation/Mining-Report.

    James Peace
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    08 Apr 2014 09:40 AM
    What I don't get is you send the PDF, Quark, or Adobe or any other digitized file of the guide to print shop to have the physical paper copies made, why not make the file available for members as well...
    James Peace
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    08 Apr 2014 09:57 AM
    And all the trees that would be saved from not printing a full guide...
    WALTER EASON
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    28 Apr 2014 02:40 PM
    Hi James
    Having updates on the web is being looked at and may be in the future. From a Mining Claims Dept. point of view having more communication about claims both to and from members would be a help here to. Printing would most likely still be needed for members to take with them and many members also do not use computers. Thank you for your posts.
    MAURICE AUSTIN
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    12 May 2014 08:55 AM
    I believe it was Brandon that I talked to at the Vegas show. I explained that I have no desire to have a printed copy of the mining guide. While it is a very interesting book and I can tell that there has been a LOT of time and effort put into it. I just don’t use it. It sits under my night stand and that’s it. I have opened it maybe 2 or 3 times. I live in Montana where we have minimal GPAA claims to begin with. I would much rather have a updated (updated by staff and actual users and maybe even some feedback and hints about the area) online version that I can choose a state and then look for where I will be at and see if there are any claims. Then if so I can print a simple PDF file and be done. But I don’t travel much as I still have to work and my club claim is where I do most of my prospecting already. So I feel that the money that was spent to print my mining guide was kind of a waste for the GPAA. I hear that one of the concerns of the GPAA is claim jumping by non GPAA members. Well I am sorry but if a thief really wants to steal they will find a way. And yes I understand some folks need to have the mining guide as that is their resource. But if an online version gets established maybe when people call in to renew their memberships or even new members the GPAA staff person can check to see if they need it??? I know that I am willing to pay the same fees for not getting a mining guide if there was another source for it.
    Paul Straub
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    12 May 2014 10:48 AM
    I know it's kind of a hassle, but in the GPAA rules doesn't it state you have to have your mining guide with you when you are on a claim? Is that still the case?
    MAURICE AUSTIN
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    12 May 2014 02:56 PM
    I was told as long as you have your GPAA membership card you are good to go. I could have heard wrong too
    Tim Leibel
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    12 May 2014 06:31 PM
    LOL You can tell I am the newbie. I bring the Mining Guide, All 3 of my copies of the Pick and Shovel and my membership cards. And probably 3 times the gear I really need.
    MAURICE AUSTIN
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    13 May 2014 08:04 AM
    Hay Tim,Thats ok better to have and not need then to need and not have. Welcome to the fun!
    William Hall
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    13 May 2014 03:35 PM
    Tim,

    Over time you will learn what you need to take and what you don't need, with that being said.....

    If you don't take it, youll wished you had at some point in your travels.


    Bill
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    17 May 2014 08:58 AM

    Exactly !  I always carry my bug out bag which is a backpack loaded with all survival gear, pistol cwp, and of course all my camping/ mining supplies.

    SYLVESTER CULLEN
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    17 May 2014 09:22 AM
    Getting back to claim reports, I'll start submitting them when GPAA decides to make them available to members. I'm sure that anyone visiting a claim for the first time would want more detailed information than what's provided in the guide, and this gives a "feet on the ground" perspective.
    Dominic Ricci
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    17 May 2014 12:35 PM
    Sylvester please submit any mining claim reports you can. This is valuable information and helps other members. GPAA publishes this information in the mining guide as well as the Pick & Shovel Gazette. GPAA relies on this information from members so that we can help other members as well.
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    18 May 2014 10:27 AM
    Dominic, What is in the mining guide is the barest of summaries, and often out of date. GPAA needs to make any full claim reports available to it's members so that they have the latest information. Things on the ground have a habit of changing since the guide was published, often several years previously. Your members want only what they've been promised with their membership - up to date, accurate information on GPAA's claims. Should be pretty simple.
    Dominic Ricci
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    18 May 2014 11:00 AM
    Sylvester I completely agree. On the bottom right side of this page under communicate is a tab for "submit Mining Report." We need members to submit the reports so we can validate and update all members. Let's spread the word so members submit reports and then GPAA can let the whole membership know. Miners helping miners!
    SHAD TURNER
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    19 May 2014 06:34 AM
    Is there a place we can go to and see the reports people are submitting? Would be really helpful for people that are not from the local community.
    Dominic Ricci
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    19 May 2014 09:16 AM
    Hi Shad,
    Currently there is not a place to view Mining Claim Reports. We review, validate, and then publish in the Pick & Shovel Gazette. As this is a brand new site for people to communicate and share, we may in the future have a section that members can review the reports themselves. We also work with our Local Chapters in passing the information out as well.
    ARTHUR WAUGH
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    19 May 2014 12:54 PM

    While information on claim reports may be going to the chapters, I can tell you straight up that I have not heard ANY information, other than a quick

    "hey there is a new one or this one is now gone" at my chapter meeting in over 3 years.......  so that information is not getting to the ground in some cases, and when we do get something, it is what is in the P&S.

     

    Note-----your experience may vary by chapter.........

     

     

    We have a claim that I have been told has been turned over with dredges at least three times, and another that unless you are a healthy 18 year old or have wings or a UH-60 you are not going to get to(virtually a vertical slope and at least 800 feet to the creek).  The last one all it says is the road gets rough getting to it (true enough)

    Dominic Ricci
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    19 May 2014 02:13 PM
    Hi Arthur,
    Thanks for jumping in and sharing. I will work with our claims department and chapters department to get a bettor streamline of communication out to the members in the field. I thank you for bringing it to our attention. Any suggestions are always welcome.
    ARTHUR WAUGH
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    19 May 2014 03:22 PM
    No problem.  I am trying to get them to adopt the first one I mentioned as well as another about a mile away that I have done pretty well on every time I get to it.  Maybe the next meeting or the one after  they might do it.
    WALTER EASON
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    20 May 2014 06:41 AM

    HI All

    Thought I might jump in with some information from my point of view. The mining reports could have a great positive effect on individual knowledge of each claim before a member goes out and this would be very valuable in my opinion. There are other very valuable items also in mining reports such as administrative knowledge of how much a claim or claims in an area are being used to lesson damage percentages. How valuable a claim is to members so we do not remove one that members like and the opposite is also true. Where we need to add and where we have to many so we can add more somewhere else. The one issue we have in the claims department is that we do not get enough reports overall to be able to accurately figure out data from one claim to another. This takes multiple reports on groups of claims, not everyone mind you an analysis can be made on occurrences of reports and lack there of.  We have the tools to create the models already just not any wide spread data to justify action. This type of modeling also would generate accuracies for claim updates. For instance I will transverse roads in a 2-wheel drive pickup that other members even in the office when we went out said they would never think of taking their 4x4 truck out on. So much of what one report says is in the eyes and experiences of the beholder. So send in reports and get others to send them in, through the internet (web mining report) is best and most usable.

    With regards to a physical mining guide vs a electronic one. The electronic Mining Guide would be great for updates I fully agree. A physical Mining Guide and the need to have it with you is very important in some instances also. These days there are many claims that are back to back and some that are over-staked. A person can make a mistake in where they are suppose to be and some over enthusiastic agency personnel have been known to ask for a person to show proof of where they are allowed to be as in mining claim rights are different from collecting rights. If you accidentally get in the wrong location the guide shows an intent to get it right or if another person is in the wrong place or they think it is an open area it show reasonable proof of claim location. The same is true if your location is in question and the map may provide help in getting you to the correct location. So both Mining Guide types have their uses. Hope this helps and I really like the valuable input that is coming out in this forum. The members ideas helps our direction and keep up the good work.    

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    20 May 2014 07:02 AM
    Hi Walter, thanks for chiming in.

    I believe this is a "one hand washes the other" situation. I think if the GPAA were to provide access to actual claim reports so that people can see other members experiences with a claim, you will probably get more of them.

    The next time I fill one out, it'll be posted in the members area as well as sent in on the usual channels.
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