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24 Jul 2014 08:04 AM

    Every once in a while, while going thru my files of treasure tales, I come across a tidbit of info that just might help someone locate a rich find.

     

    While looking for the Cassidy file I ran across anther WY tale, The Lost Cabin Creek Mine.
    It is a quartz lased with gold placer and surface mine near or on the Bighorn River.
    Here's the search area and how I narrowed it down.
    Get the GPS reading for the latitude of of Sheridan WY. You now have the latitude for the start of the search area on the Bighorn River. It is between this point and about the north boundary of WY.
    This is from an old story of a mine worked by a Halfbreed and is one of 3 stories of a gold laced quartz outcropping that I have researched in that general area. This one seems to be valid. Anyone in this area? Frank...-

    NOTE:  THAT AREA IS EXTREMELY ROUGH.  Goodluck
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    27 Jul 2014 01:28 PM

    Ran across an interesting tidbit while going thru my files. If you live in Oklahoma near the upper NW corner of Dewey Co This just might be of

    interest to you. This is an old story that has been verified. The area is just west of Vici. The target is several burro loads of gold.

    As the story goes, the Indians were revolting against the Spanish and this was the last load out. The Spanish made a stand in a dry canyon that offered some natural defenses. They buried the gold shipment before the fight, but they were wiped out.

    In 1900 settlers began to arrive in the area and found skeletons and got the story from the Indians.

    In 1912 a number of Spanish coins were discovered in the canyon but nothing else was found.

    With today's metal detectors, someone could become rich out there.

    Hay, just send me one of those gold bars!  lol  Frank...-

     

    Hay, this one looks findable, if it isn't a subdivision by now!

     

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    28 Jul 2014 08:04 AM

    Some of us dream of finding a large nugget or a piece of quartz lased with gold, I am one of them, but I also dream of finding a big cache of gold.

     Here's the condensed version of a $20 Million Gold Cache.

    In 1933 the US Gov. outlawed the private ownership of gold. A Mexican Citizen attempted to sell to the US Gov. $20M in gold cached in NW New Mexico.

    The deal was turned down. The last attempt at a deal was 1952. It was turned down. Oh yes, the Gov. tried to find it, but failed. Here's the info they used to hunt for it. 16 flights of a small plane were required to move the gold. The plane landed at a 7,000' mesa between the landmarks described.

    -the Ute Mountain Indian to the east, the Navajo Indian Reservation, Kirkland and Shiprock Peak to the south. The burial site is described as being 2 to3 miles from the landing site.  

    Now some questions: How long would the runway have to be to land a heavily laden small plane.

                                    : How big would this Mesa be if the cache was buried 2 to 3 miles from the landing spot.

     Note: I suspect the cache was buried closer to the landing site. There were no vehicles on the Mesa and gold is heavy

              also no labor was available.

    Anyone know this area?  Frank...-

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    28 Jul 2014 10:37 AM
           Frank, I know of the story of 17 tons of gold cached in the Four Corners area. 17 tons of gold at today's price would be in the 500 million range. Also have a well written seven page document on the subject that was down loaded from " Treasure Hunter's University " web site. ( web site can no longer be found )     Ron
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    28 Jul 2014 06:05 PM
    Well Ron, I just finished reading about 20 pages of posts on another site. It appears it was moved a couple of times and 3 well backed groups are looking for it. I think I will forget about this 17 tons of gold.  Frank...-
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    05 Aug 2014 04:20 PM

    Story from my childhood from and old (then) Indian man we knew well. I grew up in the area.

     

    Strongbox with gold was taken from a stage between  Taylorsville and Portola in northern CA.  This, IIRC is a road now between Walker Mine, Davis Lake and Portola.  Was in a meadow coloser to the west end and still above Davis Lake.  Indians attacked the hold up men, chest was buried either before/during the attack or by the Indians just after.  Supposed to be south of the creek/road near a good campsite (at the time)  I was around 8-9 when I heard this one.

     

    Another is out of Westwood and Lake Almanor, is a cave that an Indian knew of and even into the 30's and 40's whenever he needed supplies, he would come down with a $20.00 "big"note of US currency (that were no longer in circulation)  They knew it was from some kind of a hold up or robbery years before.  No one could ever follow him and find it.  Supposed to be on the east side of the lake, between Westwood and Hwy 89 at the south end of the lake, on one of the hills back in there.  When he died, no more of the bills ever showed up, so the rest of it is still out there somewhere.

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    02 Oct 2014 04:51 PM

    Well, I am kind of a crossover, that is a cache hunter and prospector. I just ran across an interesting book.

    It is titled: Lost Gold and Silver Mines of the Southwest. A lot of it came from the old Desert Mag.

    The author is: Eugene L. Conrotto.

    It not only mentions mines ,but gold caches from robberies. It has a chapter on all the old trails like the pony express, stage lines, Spanish trails etc. complete with maps.

    I got it on Amazon.

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    25 Oct 2014 05:53 PM

    Here is an interesting tale of silver bars hidden in a cave by the Jesuits.

    It is old research of mine showing the likely locations on a map. 

    It is just over the line near Dening NM. on the Mexican side.

    Good luck, Frank

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    04 Nov 2014 07:03 PM
    I really wish I knew the things that old Indian did. My Step father told a lot of stories and I sure wished I had some of them documented. Hopefully Mom still has some of his old maps and books.
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    23 Dec 2014 03:14 PM
    This Jesuit treasure thing is running hot and cold. I have just read two books on this. The first was IN SEARCH OF THE SPANISH TRAIL SANTA FE TO LOS, 1829-1848.
    It is by Crampton & Masden. It has good maps and photos and leans toward the view that the trail is newer than some suspect, in fact that it was mainly a trade route.
    The thing is I then read LOST TREASURERS ON THE OLD SPANISH TRAIL by Thompson. WOW, this is like night and day. The second book brings out facts that I never heard before. It has documentation, even lists major Spanish explorations/expeditions from 1492-1503(yes Columbus hit the coast of Mexico) to 1847 (Mormons). Yea, they slipped in some non Spanish! It basically shows the use and extension of the trail.
    The Jesuit removal started on June of 1767. Within 24 hours all the Jesuits in Mexico were rounded up and taken to Veracuse with only the clothes on there backs and there bibles for deportation. Now here's where the kicker comes in. It took weeks, or even longer for the kings soldiers to reach the far out missions. One Jesuit even tried to ship out his wealth on the ship Dromio, but it was intercepted and the king had him beheaded. I think most have hunted for the two Tumacacori missions. One on each side of the Sana Cruz River. One is known, but the way bill shows great wealth in the mines which are located from the lost mission.

    Hay, what can I say? Quien Sabe Frank

     

     

     

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    03 Jan 2015 09:26 AM

    OK, the missions supplied labor for the mines, so the mines evolved around the missions.

    Now all you need to know to locate the gold is the location of the missions.

    Here's the GPS locations for the missions. Your welcome.

    http://southwest.library.arizona.ed...div.7.html

    Frank

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    07 Jan 2015 06:00 PM

    I found some interesting information about the mines at/ neat the Jesuit missions.

    It is a little hard to understand some of it, but it list the location (lon/lat) of the 'main' missions and the distance to sub missions AND THE MINES. I am making up a list of all these locations, but it is tedious work. Some of the mines are on/ near the Rio Grande. There are 30some missions listed. I just started the list so I am looking at about 2 months work making the list and locating them on a present day map. Hay, It's going to be one hell of a trip to check it out. Like looking for the Dutchman with better clues.  Frank

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    14 Jan 2015 10:51 AM

    Well, if any of you guys are interested in looking for one of the Jesuit mines, I will give the location of one as soon as I get it down to a reasonable area. If you live, or are in that area, you can check it out. Hay, just send me a couple of those gold bars you find in there. LOL,   I have located 33 missions many of which indicate a mine near by. The distance of a league changed about 1600, but the data I have is from 1664 so it should match the new measurement. 

    Once I get all the mine locations marked on a modern topo, If possible I will hop in my MH and have a grand exploration tour.  hay, you never know what will turn up.     Frank

    Well, I will settle for silver bars,lol

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    21 Jan 2015 03:08 PM
    Is anybody looking for the Jesuit mines?
     There was a main mission called "Movas" it was located at 28degrees lat, 266degrees 5' long.
    It controlled a mine called Rio Chico located 4 leagues (10.08 miles) West of Movas.

    Frank

    If any of you guys are in this area, you just might hit it big.

    There will probably be rock symbols along the way.

    The shaft might contain gold bars and the entrance is most likely concealed.

    One mine was actually found about 16 leagues from there.

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    21 Jan 2015 04:59 PM
       Frank, was the Jesuit league different from the Spanish league? 4 Spanish leagues would place the mine around 8.48 to 8.72 miles if the statute league ( land ) was used and not the nautical league.      Ron
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    23 Jan 2015 03:17 PM

    Prior to 1600, the league was 3.45miles

    After 1600, the league was officially 2.52 miles

    My info is based on 1664 Jesuit notes.

    There is now a paved road to Movas which is still an active settlement.

    There was another mine, Cedros, which is 15.12 miles south of Movas.

    Frank

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    24 Jan 2015 09:13 AM

    Some directions are deceptive. When they said, example (west of the mission) it was a general direction and usually referred to the trail that left the mission in a westerly direction.

    I have been given a map showing the mines and am working to apply the hand drawn map to a present day map. It shows the trails as they existed way back. I can see from the map that the above mentioned statement is correct.

     

    When I have everything corrolated, probably in early spring, I will probably head out there in my MH to explore the reality of the information. Maybe some others would be interested.   Frank

    Near Stanton, AZ.

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    04 Nov 2015 07:33 AM

    Around 1996 I was living in Garland, Tx., working for a telecom outfit.  I traveled A LOT and some areas I went to had gold history. I, being very interested in prospecting, wanted to get a metal detector that I could take with me while traveling to those areas so I was looking for a place to get a detector and low-and-behold Garrett was only 15 minutes away!!!!  I went to Garret and purchased a Gold Scorpion.  While there, I was talking to this guy that was also looking for a detector to find gold.  While we were talking he told me his father-in-law, who passed away a couple years ago, had found some gold bars (didn't say how big) in a small canyon while deer hunting on the N. side of the Red River in Oklahoma. The father-in-law never told anyone exactly where he found them but the guy that I was talking to knew the areas where he hunted so he was going to go there with a detector and search.  Never heard anything about gold being found in the news or anywhere. Moved from there to Dixie, Idaho in 2000. CULTURE SHOCK!!!!!! 

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