Keeping Oregon as a dredging state
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06 Oct 2014 02:13 PM

    go to this link to help with dredging:  http://petitions.moveon.org/sign/al...y=11403310

    This is for people in and out of the state of Oregon.
     This petition asks the Oregon Legislature and Governor Kitzhaber to recognize existing environmental impact studies showing many positive effects, and no lasting negative effects, of suction dredge mining on Oregon’s waterways

    If you notice an error in the Online Mining Guide or with claim information please add in the updated information into the online mining guide to inform other members. Thank You Walter H. Eason
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    06 Oct 2014 03:31 PM
    done from here.
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    06 Oct 2014 04:06 PM

    If anything is to be done, it will have to be at the Legislature starting in January.  The committee is loaded with the other side, and they get all the time at the meetings, and the miners get shoved off with "we will get to it later if there is time."  Last meeting is on Oct. 9th with results and findings about a month later to Gov. K, who will rubber stamp the whole deal and we will have a 5 year ban, which will turn into something longer.

     

    As soon as SB838 passed and was signed, it was a matter of "a foregone conclusion to a preconceived notion".

     You can sign all the petitions to Gov. K and the dem. controlled legislature you want from out of state, it will fall on deaf ears and blind eyes.  They flat don't care what people from out of state want, he** they don't care what we want.  This all started with the eco-wacs in a hissey from the few CA miners that came up when the an in CA hit.

     

    The only way to change this thing is to overhaul the house and senate and send K packing.

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    06 Oct 2014 04:17 PM
    Arthur you are more than likely right but don't let that stop you from signing a petition or sending a letter, if we say and do nothing we will surely lose. Remember these people on election day
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    06 Oct 2014 04:56 PM
    Never hurts to have a voice for future decisions and continued decisions on what is there now.
    If you notice an error in the Online Mining Guide or with claim information please add in the updated information into the online mining guide to inform other members. Thank You Walter H. Eason
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    07 Oct 2014 11:36 AM

    Guys, been there done that and have a drawer full of shirts from the session when SB838 went through and was signed.  You can bet I will remember that Gov. K was against all of us, and that Gov. candidate Richardson was behind us.  My house rep was behind us, but my senator was not, but he is not up again until 2016.

     

    One of the GPAA State Directors has been at every committee meeting since the start of this fiasco.

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    27 Mar 2016 09:50 PM
    anyone know where I can go, to pan for some gold around scio Oregon. I am new, thanks oldelvis1954@outlook.com
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    10 Feb 2017 06:23 PM

    Is this still an open issue or has the ruling been done?

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    12 Feb 2017 04:34 PM

    I was at a meeting last night and got a report from people that were at a hearing on SB 3.  Only one member of the committee was firmly on our side, and by the time the hearing was over, only two committee members were still there.

    SB 3 will add all waters that are any kind of tributary to Essential Salmon Habitat (ESH) to the moritorium (ban), even if there is no fish passage.  Ie. a dam with now ladder, the area above that is still open, but will go bye-bye with SB 3.  Effectively ends motorized mining in and near waterways.

    It also includes a "memorial" section of the Rogue River to be named for the late Senator Bates, who was the force behind the SB 838 moritorium.  He died while catching the fish he kicked us of the water to supposedly protect......karma happens.

     

    The upshot of this whole thing is that SB 3 WILL pass, as the Dems have the majority in both houses, and Brown WILL sign it.  Will virtually eliminate dredging in the state.  The only hope is to get some amendments added and some language dropped and it is being worked on.

    There is a Miners Ralley at the capitol building on March 15th, 2017 from 8-5.   Hopefully the bill hasn't gone through by then. 

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    12 Feb 2017 04:41 PM

    It also puts upland mining (anything more than 100 yards from a waterway) under DOGAMI, with really attrocious permit fees, and DOGAMI really doesn't deal with the small scale guys, and doesn't want to.

    Oh yeah, also includes up to $10,000 fine for dredging in the newly closed/already closed waters without a permit, which won't be available.

    I look for motorized boats to be next as their exhaust is vented into the water.....surprised they haven't worked on that yet.

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    06 Mar 2017 02:13 AM

    I recently spoke with claim owners in SW OR.  They have claims above the Applegate Lake / Dam. they are able to dredge using up to 6 inches.  Seems some waters are still dredge-able still?

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    06 Mar 2017 02:16 AM

    Is it possible to find a copy of the SB-3 document?

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    06 Mar 2017 06:35 AM

    The DEQ 700PM permit (which most of us use) is limited to 4 inch nozzle and 16 hp.  There are other permits and procedures for larger equipment, but permit costs and hoops to jump through get cumbersome.

     

    As to a copy of bills before the legislature you can do it through a search of Oregon Legislative Bills.  Plug that into your search engine and presto....

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    06 Mar 2017 06:41 AM
    As of now, Essential Salmon Habitat (ESH) is included in the dredging moratorium  ESH is any water that androdumus fish use for spawning/rearing.  If the fish have no access, ie. big waterfall, dam with no ladder/wheel, then it is still open above that "blockage", within the season determined by ODFW and DSL.  SB3 would include ANY tributary to ESH waters in the moratorium, no matter if fish can get to it or not.
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    09 Mar 2017 03:59 AM

    Well that would just suck, no pun intended ...

     

    When is the vote on this bill due?

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    09 Mar 2017 04:01 AM
    Posted By William Adams on 09 Mar 2017 03:59 AM

    Well that would just suck, no pun intended ...

     

    When is the vote on this bill due?

    Here is the page for the Bill and the current status as it moves through it paces ...

    http://gov.oregonlive.com/bill/2017/SB3/

     



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    09 Mar 2017 10:06 AM

    Still in re-write as far as I know.  Have not dug into it.  Will get an update Sat. night at a club meeting.

    There is a miner's ralley scheduled for March 15th at the capital building in Salem from 8-5.  Displays of equipment, demos, speakers - even a couple of state senators from what I hear that support us.

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    14 Mar 2017 07:10 AM

    Signed.
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    15 Mar 2017 04:47 PM

    Sorry to say the petition linked above was from ancient history.  (back a couple of years ago) Don't know if it has been updated or not.

    As of right now SB 3 doesn't show up.  Looks to be tabled for now so amendments can be made.  Was down sick over last w/e so was unable to get to that meeting I referred to, to get up to date information

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    02 Jun 2017 07:27 AM

    Well, just found out the bad news as far as dredging in Oregon.

    The 5 year moratorium on ESH (SB838) has now been made permanent by the passage of SB3A in the House on Wed, May 31, 2017.  Guaranteed to be signed by our green Gov.  It still gives us waters not reachable by salmon/steelhead, ie. dam, waterfall with no provision for fish passage. 

    I am tring to find out if the proposed fee schedule ($250 application fee and $250/year fee for the DEQ 700PM permit) was passed or altered.  I suspect it remained unchanged.

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    03 Jun 2017 01:58 PM
    Well Arthur Still spending on the law suit for OR.Been supporting all law suits.
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    05 Jun 2017 07:26 AM
    You are right of course. There are two suits in progress yet. The 838 dredging moritorium suit is sitting in the 9th circuit, and there is another on DEQ's 700PM wastewater discharge permit (that is what is required for dredging) That one has been ongoing for years as each year they issue a new permit and tell the court the suit is moot because of the "new" permit. That one is in state supreme court, IIRC.

    I had made up stickers for a fund raiser for the 838 suit as well as PLP, so yes support of court actions are still needed and ongoing and will get worse.
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    06 Jun 2017 04:10 PM

    I just heard back from my state representative......The bill passed as is, so DEQ will be able to charge a $250 application fee (every 5 years as I understand it), and a $250 a year fee for the 700PM dredge (wastewater discharge) permit.  Will be up to them where they set the fee, but I would look for the maximum right now. 

    Still have the waters where dredging was legal in 2016/2017.

    That means I am out of the dredge business next year.  Not worthwhile to me for that kind of money.  And I just got it together last year.

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    18 Feb 2018 11:34 PM

    I know it's probably a bit late, but I just signed it. There is a public hearing at the beginning of next month regarding the new house bill.

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    19 Feb 2018 04:35 PM

    Missed the meeting of my Salem club last week........what new bill??? 

     

    Hopefully will be to rein in DEQ, but doubt it.

    As of now DEQ is looking at the max fees as listed above......and they only issued 150 odd permits in 2016.....

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    21 Feb 2018 08:32 PM
    Maybe it's not a new bill, I've been seeing it on the state of Oregon water quality website. Here's the link,http://www.oregon.gov/deq/wq/wqperm...ning.aspx. if you scroll down there's the public notice pdf that's says when and where. The deq is holding the public hearing to decide if the new modifications to the permit should be changed or left as sb3 wrote them. I think at least worth saying something. The increase in permit cost holds no legitimate reason for being increased so much. I Just don't want to let the government win again.. I'm 26 years old and my wife and are want to do this long term while having a very minimalistic life. I just feel the more we allow them to take from us, the less my generation and my future children's generation will have.
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    22 Feb 2018 09:40 AM

    OK, that's DEQ sorting through SB3. Every 700 PM holder got a certified letter on the hearings. Everyone should submit comments on keeping the fees down, agreed they are outragous as lined out in SB3.

    Make no mistake, everyone in every agency in the state wants us out of the water. And even though SB3 set the max at $250 application, and $250 a year for the permit, DEQ is going to use those figures, no matter what.
    The very dim light at the end of the nozzle is they might come down somewhat if enough pressure is put on them, but we won't get any help from the legislature, Dems have almost a super majority in both houses, and a governor that is beyond green.

    With this, I am now out of the dredging game, just can't justify that kind of money for the return on the time I have available to go mining. 

    State Police are going to be the enforcement arm, and from the rumors I hear they aren't interested, they have bigger issues to deal with in the big picture, and most county sheriff's aren't that much interested either.  There will be a huge number of dredges still running, just like the past few years since SB838.  I know there were way more that 150 odd in operation in 2016.

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    22 Feb 2018 03:39 PM
    Or, as with the state of Calif., they (deq) may just decide not to issue any permits
    I speak for a vary small portion of NorCal, rumor is Forest Circus doesnt really care in there jurisdiction, cant speak to local law
    Only time I see any of them is in the winter when there arent many peoples around and many roads gated

    It's only a matter of time, the cancer is spreading
    Washington, Idaho, Colorado are on the list
    Arthur is correct, controlling agencies want dredgers out of the water

    Bill
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    22 Feb 2018 04:29 PM
    The 700PM permit DEQ issues here is a "wastewater discharge" permit. We don't discharge anything into the water, except what we suck up from the bottom, minus the gold, lead, and mercury. Some say, don't bother with the 700PM, you're not discharging anything.....Like the Supreme Court Judge said back when in a case-if you take a ladle of soup out of the pot and pour it right back in, what other substance other than what was already in the pot are you discharging or adding to it? But won't wver convince the states of it.

    The other issue is turbidity, but look at any waterway after a good storm and it runs Swiss Miss brown, but we're told...oh that's nature, and it won't kill fish like the 20 foot plume that is a couple of feet wide that we might kick up.

    Been lawsuit ongoing for many years over th permit, and every year when they issue new permits, they tell the courts the siut is moot because they don't issue "that" permit anymore.
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    23 Feb 2018 03:54 PM
    Of course "they" dont want to hear what doesnt support "their" agenda

    Calif had/has some of the same issues with turbidity, but would not listen to what science had to say about it, it didnt support their agenda
    As you have pointed out "they" want dredgers/people off and out of the waters
    Yep, same excuses
    There arent enough of us that care to make a run at states suing them, they tie it up, deflect, postpone until "we" are to old to care or cant remember LOL

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    23 Feb 2018 11:57 PM
    Well again, as I said in my first comment. I'm only 26. I know where my country is headed and it terrifies me. It's my generations turn to step up to bat and prevent further loss of rights. Do you guys remember the gentleman here in Oregon who built a house on blm and lived in it in order to protest the blm land grab overreach? He won his law suit because it was the only was way he could effectively protest and was protected under his first amendment right. So, why not protest the deq's new ridiculously expensive permit fees by dredging without permits? Just make it an active protest. Peaceful of course. No militias or anything, just calm, civilized, peaceful protest. We have science to back up the effectiveness of suction dredging, we have the legal right to do so, and the legal right to protest restrictions.


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